looking for skat trak haulers, 20x10x8 6 paddle. who can get me them? I got a place on ebay that will get me some mounted on douglas 125's for $300. A little steep, considering I can get 8 paddles from rmatv for $220.

no sheet man i have been looking everywhere for 20x10x8 6 paddles... i have even emailed some shops in cali to no prevail... i cant find them anywhere for a decent price

Andy, have you considered getting a set of 21x12x8? Those might be alittle tall for the LTR, but I think guys still run them. Maybe even look into a set of gliders, from what I have been told, they are the best kept secret in paddles.

I gave up looking for them and just bought the 8 paddles from RMATV, they are going to go on my stock wheels.

Call Fullerton sand sports...714-484-5996 They carry pretty much everything. They will have the 6 paddles. And there prices are pretty good. They quoted me $240 for 21x12x8 6 paddle extremes.

thanks for the suggestions. I've been trying the site sponsors on a couple different forums, so far, with no luck. from what I've read, 21's will clear depending on what nerfs/heel guards your using.

i have 20x10x8, 8 paddle extreme haulers

I'm still kicking myself in the head for not buying a set a long time ago. A guy wanted to sell me a new set of 8 pdl Haulers for $180! Why didn't I jump on that?!?!?

I've seen lots of guys runnin' the 21x12x8 Haulers at LS Andy. Kinda popular out there I guess. I've also seen alot of the 20x10x8, 8 pdl Haulers out there at the dunes. Between all the various choices of Haulers, those are the two I see the most of. I'd personally go for either of the two.

so do I! actually, mine are 20x10x10




thats what I'm working on! I'd rather have 20's though. they seems a better all around tire to me. the 21's and 22's are more for dragging. anything over 20" has a different carcass, and they really balloon up at high speeds. which is why some people have issues with heel guards I'm guessing...

Thats the one thing I'm worried about too Andy. My 20s are only about an 1 1/2 away for the heel guards now. Everyone says get the 21x12x8, but I would hate to get them and eff them up on the heel guards.

Since you have the 8 paddle haulers now, why don't you give them a try before you switch? Your a pretty light guy, so they may work good for you with the LTR. Never know and you already have them.

I could do that. but, my gf needs paddles anyway, so, I figure she run the 8 paddle, and I can get some 6 or 7 paddles.

if you notice most of those dune riders with 21's and 22's dont run heel guards or nerf bars....

I see how you are, slow her down so you can go faster...

I got 20in 7 paddle haulers from RMATV for $236. Havent seen them in a 6 paddle anywhere though.

Andy, call Fullerton. Their prices are very fair I thought. Besides, you know it costs to play with the good stuff Mr. LTR. ha ha (never mind me, just jealous)

Thats the problem, alot of online places don't stock a 6 paddle hauler or an 8 paddle glider. I have found a few sites that do, but there prices are pretty high.

Andy, are most guys running the 6 paddle on the LTR?

yeah, most people run 6 paddles with the LTR. they say it works good with 13-36 gearing. maybe I'll try fullerton. I'd like to pay with paypal though! Theres actually quite a few LTR owners that spend the big bucks for comp cut padla brats too. but, $400 for paddles/rims is a bit nuts. if I rode sand ALL the time I would though...

Yeah, I hear ya Andy, I only go a few times a year. I sometimes question if its worth the 250-300 for new paddles, but I know my sand stars rob the power, so I know it will be worth it in the long run.

Guy on craigslist is selling a set of 10 paddle haulers for $40 that I'm thinking about getting. I would have to cut the paddles down, but they still might be too much paddle. But for $40 it might be worth a shot. Or I might just try and resell them. There 20x11x9, so I'm not sure how hard they would be to sell. Plus I have only seen a pic, so not sure what kinda shape they are really in. May be all effed up.

I wouldnt go for them. I'm sure you could sell them, but, not worth the hassle in my opinion. the haulers are definitely an upgrade over sandstars. thats what I switch from. even the 8 paddle extremes pulled much better on my stock bore 400. Its also much easier to keep the front end down when starting if your racing, which is a big plus. I used to just quit races with my sand stars after going vertical in 2nd and 3rd gear. Just gave up and said screw it, I'll race again I'd say I had crappy starts at least 50% of the time with the sandstars. if I was racing slower quads, I could easily recover, but, racing some of the faster quads, you cant do that.

I finally got a set of paddles. 20x10x8 6 paddle extremes, for $150+shipping. thanks for all the suggestions!

So the 6 paddle is good for the LTR's power..I still read no definite aswer to using an 8 paddle over a 6 paddle. How about with my 434, 6 paddle?

where did you get that deal.... i am still lookin for some 20x10x8 6 paddles

yup, everyone swears by the 6 paddles for the LTR. we'll see! what are you running now? You can try my 8 paddles at silver lake if I can make it there in may? Seems like the sand there provides pretty good traction, so its easy to over paddle in my opinion.




found a used set in a wanted thread on another forum. keep looking man, you'll find some. I found 2 places on ebay that would order them for me though. pushing $300 mounted on rims.

Ahh running sandstars that have some wear on em' just thinking about the haulers..
if you bring them I will run them...

I switched from sandstars. big difference! you'll save almost 10lbs of rotating mass, depending on what size rims you go with. I dont quite remember the formula, but isnt it something like a loss of 1lb in rotating mass is the same as a 3lb loss in dry weight? that would be something like dropping 30lbs!

heres a couple combo's to think about...

20x11x10 ITP 8 paddle Sand Star on 10x8 ITP T9 Pro rims = 17.4lbs

21x12x8 Skat Trak Hauler 7 paddle (Std. Buff) on 8x8 blue label rims = 13.0lbs

21x12x8 Sand Tires Unlimited 6 paddle Padla Brat (comp. cut) on 8x8 blue label rims = 9.4lbs

21's good for the z?

Zip, don't think about getting rid of the sand stars, DO IT! They are SO overrated. Get a set of 6 paddle haulers or 8 paddle gliders.

Something to think about, sand stars have more paddle surface than an 8 paddle hauler. Plus they are 3lbs heavier per tire/wheel.

I dont know? depends on heel guard clearance. thats about the only reason I went with 20's, cuz I knew they would fit.

As far as performance, I assume top end is better with a larger tire. I have run 22 Razr's on my quad. Do they measure the dia. from paddle tips?

From what I understand, 21s are better because they don't dig as much and they are great for hill shooting and drags. Yeah, they will give you more topend. Like Andy said, the only real issue is rubbing on your heel guards. I wanna go with 21s, but I don't think they will fit. They will balloon some at high speeds, so allow for that too.

Glen, the 21x12x8's are great paddles. Clone used to have them on his KFX and they ended up being a great all around tire. They were best in the drags but did great in hill climbing and sand trail riding. I rode his KFX434 several times w/ the 21's and loved the flotation of those things! Plus they were much more lightweight than any other tire I've over felt. He had them on Blue labels of course. He also had a +1.25" swinger so clearance wasn't an issue w/ his heal guards. You and I both have longer swingarms so it wouldn't be an issue for either of us. If I get to keep the Z after all the chaos going on in my life, I'm selling the Sand Stars and getting 21" 8 pdl Haulers on 8" Blue Labels.

My 21x12x8 ST 7 pdls extremes std buff on .125 10wx8d weight in at 11.5 lbs on our digital ppl scale.

nice! thanks for the info kirk. maybe they weigh less in canada? so they are even lighter, thats good. I'll edit my post. these #'s are from people who weighed them on another forum.

I forgot about you guys with the extended swingers. I'd run the 21's then, 7 paddles, with 13-40 gearing.

21's w/ 7 pdl's eh? Hmmm...I figured the 8 pdl's would be the way to go w/ a taller tire. Wouldn't the guys (including myself) benefit more from an 8 pdl tire w/ our higher HP engines? I can turn the hell out of a set of Sand Stars. For some reason I don't feel the least bit scared to run a lighter tire w/ the same amount of pdl's...especially shorter pdl's than the Sand Stars. The only strait pdl tire I've ever owned was the 8 pdl Turbo Pdl's and they were alot heavier than the SS and just sucked as far as any flotation goes.

Depends on the sand you ride too. What works in Oregon may not work as well at SL or LS.

Sandstorm runs gliders. He said alot of guys run them, said they are the best kept secrect in paddles. He has a built 450 and they are not too little of paddle for him.

That number comes from memory as I did weight them right after I got them last year. I could be wrong, but not by much. I'll reweight when I get back home and post here.
Yea, I have my +1 1/2 swingarm and there's lots of room. The 10 wide rim I use really spreads the footprint out and thus doesn't have the same growing effect spoke of earlier like the drag race guys use. That's what I wanted a/w.

theres guys running 56hp ltr's that are running 6 paddles. I should be around 50hp, depending on the dyno. you can run how ever many you want. it really depends on what you do while riding. the more paddles, the better "dune" tire it will be. 8 paddles are a good all around tire, 6 paddles are better for drag racing. I figured 7 would be kind of in between, even though I ended up getting 6 paddles. I dont think you can really go wrong with any 6-8 paddle hauler, in comparison to the "molded" paddles out there.

I jetted my LTR today. wow, was that easy! took me a whopping 30 seconds. plug the power commander into my computer, opened the software program, clicked open map, clicked the map I downloaded, clicked ok, clicked send map, and that was it! EFI is nice! it also helps that theres people out there that post their maps for anyone to download. this guys map that I used had his LTR tuned at little sahara. he's running the same pipe, and filter setup as I am. our elevation is only a 200ft difference, so, I'm pretty sure my jetting will be "close"

just spoke with fullerton and he convinced me to get 21x12x8 6 paddle extremes. partially because of my size (#215) and partially because of riding in the parking lot. The guy i talked to was great and i got quoted 84 a piece for the extremes and about 30 bucks to ship... cant beat that deal

Ok, so weight has alot to do w/ it? I weight about 190-195 right now and am wondering if 6 or 7 or 8 pdls would be a good choice for me in the distant future. I'm basically sold on the fact that if I ever buy any other pdls it will be the 21x12x8's, just not sure on how many pdl's to get on them. $85 a tire isn't all that horrible...especially since the molded Sand Stars are over $50 each.

What's their # by the way?

Hmmm..interesting, because thats what they told me to get. You must have talked to Dave, thats who I spoke with. I asked about gliders and he no because they don't hold up on pavement. I'm thinking "who rides on pavement". Makes me wonder if they push them because they make a good profit on them. Don't get me wrong they have good prices and selection, but if your looking for advise, might not be the best place.

What paddles were you thinking about getting when you called there? Which heel guards do you have? The 21s will be a tight fit unless you have a longer swingarm.

well you do have to ride on pavement just a little up here in michigan.... but not that big of a deal. I have ac propegs with the heel gaurds that came with them. im going to measure everything before i order but what he said makes sense... regardless they are way cheaper then rockymountain

I'm not saying there the wrong paddle for either, I just find it interesting that they seem to just recommend the 21x12x8 6 paddle extremes.

With my pro armors, I have about 1 or so w/20s, so it would be tight. Plus, not sure about extremes, but from what I understand, the 21x12x8 will balloon some, so you may need alittle extra room too.

$84 per tire is pretty cheap. You getting wheels from them? They quoted me $240 w/wheels plus shipping. The problem w/Rocky is you can't get a 6 paddle hauler. Same thing with the glider, can't get an 8 paddle.

nope no wheels... just the tires. I guess i could live with takin my heel gaurds off for the dunes?!!?

You have to ride on pavement to get to sand at Little Sahara too. The campground roads are all pavement. Some of them a mile long or so. I myself already have 8x8" wheels for the tires but would probably sell them to get a set of 9" wide wheels so the 21's don't balloon out too much. But then again I'm not too worried about clearance issues w/ my +2 swingarm. I'm starting to lean towards the 21's w/ 7 paddles and mount them on a 8" wheels, 9" wide.

Yeah, Chuck told me that LS kills paddles. I can understand getting the extremes there, but for me, riding in Oregon, I only ride on pavement for about 500ft before you hit the sand.

Not sure but

RMATV 21x12x8 8 paddle haulers on .125 douglas..$154 for package set.

Just checked, they want $210 for the haulers and $242 for the extremes. The problem is that he want a 6 paddle, which they do not carry.

Who's they? I just checked and got that price..

Wait I see...SandTrak and Skat trac...tricky tricky...


$210 for the skat traks

Yeah, those are knock offs of the skat traks. Might not be a bad tire. I really don't know though.

do they make a 21 11 8 or a 21 10 8 6 paddle extreme...

also i have about 2.5 maybe 3 inches from my heel gaurds with the stock tires on there now