No longer for sale keeping for backup Quad too much fun!!!!

Got any pictures?

Larry

Where did you get that exhaust system i couldnt find them anymore. Wanna sell yours?

Yep I'll sell the Exhaust for $5000 and throw in the Quad!... ...J/K...Make me an offer on the whole Quad you might be surprised! Then you can part it out...

If only this was next year when i will have 4 grand for a new ride.

Just a note on the stock tires and rims they are like brand new...haven't even been on the Quad for over two years...I also have a New SIB Sidewinder TriMetal Rear Sprocket 38T that goes with the Quad...

...this is a real steal for what you get...

Price Reduction...gotta move it guys...will spank the Raptors, LTR's, and YFZ that are not heavily modded...

Make offer guys this thing rips...

Location? Trades?

Prosper, Texas 75078...I can deliver easily...what do you have to trade?...
I also have another LTZ400 for sale or trade 2003, Polaris RZR 2008 not for sale...KTM600cc Stroker Quad not for sale...Freightliner Sportchassis not for sale....Komfort Karry-All Toyhauler 2004 Not for sale...
I could trade for some tires for the Freightliner...A Polaris RZR 170...I have enough Quad parts to start my own business already...don't really know what I would trade for? Surprise me???

Who ever gets this LTZ470 Stroker will definitely be pleasantly surprised...it has not been ran in the dirt at all..people think sand is hard on a Quad actually just the opposite...everything stays clean, nothing rust, and sand is larger than the dust off of dirt roads and trails so you get no wear on the engine if you use an Outerwear and a large filter mine is 4" ID! and 6-1/2" Tapered..Huge...I changed to a new cylinder and piston because I had them already from CP and Mellinium Technologies but kept the old ones because they are in excellent condition...have always ran it fat with a 195 Jet...

Sand is the hardest load on a motor of any other riding application. Wet sand over dry sand, even more so. Very True.

That's why you have to jet up for sand - load on the motor.

Actually asphalt has the most traction and is the hardest pull on any engine/transmission...hard packed dirt second...sand third...depending on the sand paddles you use...we use 8 paddles V-Cut which spin and slide easily...for play, not 10 paddles Straight Blade drag racing tires that really hook up...

We'll have agree to disagree, but I have rode all three on Quads for several years...BTW I jetted up thinking I would gain some Hp not true I lost 1-2 ponies...only makes 47 on dyno now was 49.7 with 168 main...I left it fat for longevity...

Don't believe me take your 45Hp Quad out on asphalt and run through the gears...extreme hook up and you can get all the power to the ground INSTANTANEOUSLY, almost same on hardpacked now run in sand you will spin easily until you get some speed then there is no harsh hookup...riding my 470 on hard packed is crazy! the couple of times I did it...it's like riding a jet engine...the sand calms her right done where the power is absorbed through spinning...

Why do you think the KTM guys riding SuperMoto on asphalt keep calling Kam with KBR Racing (KBRATV.com) in Utah to ask how he is keeping the KTM 600cc to 629cc Stroker Engines together? All KBR rides is sand and sand drags...The sand is way easier on the engine and transmission than the DIRECT HOOK UP on asphalt...even GWR from Austria called him he is one of the original KTM Builders for their race team and even has the 102mm SuperMoto Cylinder and Piston special made for for the Katoom if you have $1500 laying around...thats what I am going with next year...
Kam did blow one KTM engine spaying it on the dyno...it was making 80Hp when it exploded...changed crank bearings to Ball bearings and problem solved....

Wonder how the Alba LTZ470 won the BITD two times with this same engine? Sand all the way... Wayne Matlock on board....this engine is bullet proof guys thats all there is to it....thats why we all ride one...

I'm not talking about traction, and I'm not talking about jetting up to make horsepower, superman, I'm talking about jetting up for sand to keep your engine alive. Sand has MORE DRAG on a motor, and MORE LOAD on a motor than any other venue. More than asphalt or hard-packed dirt - once intitial hookup is done on asphalt or hard dirt, it's done. As in most other venues. I think you must have confused yourself with what I said. I know I was talking about the load on the motor, and not about traction at the tires, or any other kind of traction.

Sand is the CONSTANT drag on the motor, no matter what. You jet UP for sand, just to keep your motor cooler, just to keep from detonating (extreme load on the motor causes detonation), and JUST because of the load on the motor. Grab ahold of an old Honda Common Service Manual, and check it all out - they fully explain jetting for different terrains, altitudes, and riding conditions. If you can't find one online (readily available for download), I'll give you a legal link to one, in case you don't have it, and I'll even point out the chapter/page you need to pay attention to in there. Best explanation anywhere, ever.

Believe what you want to believe - but now I see you reason for posting your "Alba stroker on pump gas post" in the other thread - you're trying to sell now.

Post pics of your piston... Specifically around the edges...

EDIT - By the way... you have "50Hp" in your title thread, which is false. You, by your own admission, haven't hit 50Hp on this motor. You've now got a couple choices, and I think you know what they are... Figure it out, change what you need to change. Whatever.



Just so you know - and everybody that rides "sand" knows this already... Racing a desert race on hardpack (most desert races) isn't nearly the same as riding in real "sand." Not even close. You even jet different for it. I've got my jetting specs for the two different venues, with motor specs to go along with it - if you'd want to hear those here...

Basically, what you're doing here is trying to sell a motor that you should have been running 100 octane in the whole time - whether you knew it or not - and you've only been running premium pump gas in. Hell, since you said you already did it in another post, and you said you called Alba about it, and you say they said to run 92 octane in it - I'll call them up and ask them. I already know what the answer is, because I've called them up and asked them before about it. No worries.

Get pics of your piston edges, that's the best thing you can do now... oh, and post them up. You've had detonation...

Naw Normal don't have to explain you reduce the jet to 168 MJ and it will make 50Hp and 36Ft/lbs on the dyno today...as you stated yourself I insured I spoke with Alba when I bought the Quad in 2005 and they said 92 octane with the jetting they have....
If anyone does buy this Quad I'll give you a 20 hr garauntee on the engine alone as long as you service it properly...this engine is bullet proof guys...didn't mean to rile ole Normal up...that was probably his LTR I was spanking on the LTZ470 out at Olds Hill last year actually several of them...
This Quad doesn't have alot of hours, I work a 28/28 schedule and ride when time permits so thats one reason it's clean as a pin...I want get home until July 9 (I hope) as I work in West Africa, but if the piston has had detonation I'll eat it and if Normal will send me his addy I'll even UPS it to him, so he can let his Alligator mouth eat his Cottontail but...

Oh and by the way Normal the Quad came from Cary the General Manager at Alba and while your calling other people untruthful try reading through this Alba link slowly dude...take a deep breath first and read what Alba has on their website...
http://www.albaaction.com/motors/pages/LTZMOTOR3.htm

Suzuki LTZ/KFX/DVX 400 Power Level III (470cc)

Alba developed this top-end race motor for the deseert. This performance, stroker motor is about big horsepower and torque - while still running on pump gas. Adding a stroker crankshaft to the previous kit increases the displacement to 470cc. This is the same motor that Wayne Matlock used to win the 2004 Best In The Desert Pro Championship and the 2005 Nevada 1000. It is also the motor featured in the custom ALBA duner featured in Dirt Wheels and Quad Off-Road magazine. The test rider said that it had smooth amazing power and that it kicked butt over his YFZ.
Here's what the kit includes...

Alba +4mm Big Bore Piston Kit
Alba Stroker Crank
Alba High Performance Cams
Head Porting
Gaskets
Seals
Bore and Re-Nicksil Cylinder
Alba Jet Kit

Man Normal take it easy...it's OK...I don't have to sell this Quad I love it...It is such a shame to waste a fine piece of Quad like this I hated the KTM when I first got it but since all the mods I like it really well...if someone does buy the 470...I'll bet you a dime to a donut that the feedback will be very good...

You can run your mouth al you want - what's your static and dynamic compression in that motor combo? Do you have both answers? Did somebody tell 'em to you, or did you find them out by figuring it out?

Main difference between me and you man - besides your mouth - I build these things. You pay someone to build one for you. That's a pretty big difference. Talk as much as you want.

I think I let Alba Racing do all the talking for me Normal...we all are wrong sometime...and yes I said too much in that reply my apologies in full...

I do build only installing kits and adding Hp accessories...I have split cases and cahnged gears in tranny's before...to change cams in a KTM you have to split the cam chain and re-rivet...many different things on a KTM ever been into one of them to install a piston and cylinder...I doubt it...so while you build you haven't built everything and from the sounds of it you've never been inside a LTZ470 Stroker Engine either or you would alread know that they run on pump gas...

Talk is cheap I still will give anyone that buys the 470 a 20 hr garauntee on the engine as long as it is serviced properly...

PS: Send me your address Normal and I'll make sure I send you the 94mm CP Piston I took out of it last year....

I did a full-on tech inspection of an Alba 470 motor last year, down to the measurement details that you can't even imagine. Why do you think I'm asking you if YOU know the numbers inside your engine. I already do...

That's not cheap talk.

Cool Normal...thats great knowledge...like I said send me your addy and I'll send you the piston for a full detailed micrometer inspection by yourself and then you can report everything right here with pic's to boot...I have nothing to hide from anyone...

Talk is cheap when you haven't even seen the piston in question or even run any type of inspection on the engine in question itself, I would definitely not try and tell you what condition your quad's engine is in from 1200 miles away even if I have extensive knowledge of the engine you are running when I haven't even seen it or ran it which I have more than most... It would be very foolish of me to think otherwise...

I still will give anyone that buys the 470 a 20 hr garauntee on the engine as long as it is serviced properly...the PROOF is in the pudding....

Well if you werent so far away I would buy it for sure. Give my 08 to my fiance and ride the 470.

Oh and LTZ_Guy just built a 470 didn't he? I think thats running on pump gas as well.

I guess it all depends on the compression ration. What is the compression ration of this motor and at what ratio should you jump up to 100?

Josh I'll check on shipping send me an address...I hate to even sell this Quad, but it really needs riding...

We are headed to Little Sahara in Delta Utah July 15-22...if anyone would like to purchase this LTZ470 Stroker let me know and I'll deliver or you can come out and ride it to see if you like it...let me know as I probably won't carry it if no one responds...

Still for sale...make offer...

I wish i would have caught this earlier so i could chime in. lets just say both of you guys have very valid arguments. but here is my .02 from experience with this motor. I did experience some detonation running pump gas, only running on sand past 3rd gear (that i could hear). never heard anything when trail riding or running it wide open in a field. Now, when i heard it clattering on the sand, i went back to the truck and plugged the dyna in to my laptop and turned down the total timing. voila, audible detonation gone. I check the plug on a regular basis and there are no signs of detonation. i have the total timing set at 32-36degrees btdc. this is on 4 different curves i have. I have run my street car that makes 447hp at the rear tires, had 11.8 to 1 compression on 93 octane. i drive this car several years like this. It made the most power at 32 degrees on the dyno. The car runs 11.47@124.6 mph on nitto drag radials. so its no slouch, and the motor is stressed on a regular basis. when i tore it down for a rebuild there was no sign of detonation on the pistons or combustion chambers.
-Whats the bottom line? the 470 without some ignition tweeking or race gas, will detonate. maybe jetting a lil richer would help, but i didnt try that.
-sand is harder on the engine than asphalt, think about it, let off the throttle in the sand and see how quick you stop.
-asphalt is harder on the trans and drivetrain if you have full traction and you dump the clutch...somethings gotta give...in the sand you will spin.
ever notice that your bike is faster on the road than in the sand? why is that? Drag. drag like that will be harder for the motor to pull through. Thats why my motor would detonate on the sand but not other terrain.

so in the end, but of you are essentially correct in my opinion, i just help you refine the the answers somewhat.

and from a wear standpoint, sand is the worst for anything if it gets in there! I may have missed a few things...but im at work and in a hurry...i'll revise tonight if i need too...
and FWIW, i'm not trying to start up and argument or debate about anything, i'm just sharing my actual experience.

I am running pump gas in my 470... It is jetted rich... but I am also starting to put octane booster in it to raise the octane level to 98... instead of 91 at the pump...

you can run these engines on pump fuel.... but your much safer running them on higher octane... Most companies do recomend to change your piston every what?... 20-40 hours? depending? doesnt mean they are scraped but prevents any damages that can happen

These engines can last for ever... but like everything else maintanence... keep things fresh... some require more than others... sure all the parts you bough are stronger than stock.. but your also putting ALOT more strain on the stronger parts... which turn out to be just as reliable as stock...

this set up is amazing... maintain it well.. and you shouldn't receive any problems...

Thats a waste of money. Octane booster does not raise your octane from 91 to 98.

what kind of octane booster are you using? this has been discussed several times and i hope you are aware that if the bottle advertises a 5 point increase, what you will be getting is 91.5 octane....jus a lil fyi....look it up if you dont believe me. your wasting money on that junk. buy you some race gas and mix it. or just run race gas. I think there are quite a few members that are aware of this and will agree.

really... I guess I never really searched about that... if it says 5... how does it only go from 91 to 91.5...


I might of made a mistake on the total... from what I was reading on the bottle it increases so many points by how much you put in... of a limit of so much to so much fuel... Ive only used 1 bottle of it so far... so it isnt like its been a long time use for me...

i just dont get from 91 to 91.5?.. wouldnt it be 96... same as mixing race fuel and pump gas....thoguh they would make it higher octane

Each point actually counts as .1 of a whole number. so if it adds 7 points from 91 octane, it would =91.7. its a misleading snafu that octane boost companies use. so if you can find one that will increase it 10 points, you would be at 92. Hers an interesting link: http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/archive/i...hp/t-76032.html

huh wierd... never would of though... kinda hard to beleive though.. dont know why... but theres only really one guy saying this (in thumper talk)... wouldn't their advertisment be false by stating it improves it by 5 points.. not 5 decimals... which could lead them to getting sued big time...

not to offend you or anything ltzguy... but can a few people chim in on this... and see whats their perspective on it... I just really cant see how it would only do decimals... I figured it was just very high rated octane and mixing it in with lower would overall increase the octane points

(sorry for highjacking the thread! look at it as a constant bump) lol....

acutally ill make a thread... i did a search but couldnt find it

ltz guy is correct on this subject.

3 sand dune seasons on this piston out of my 470...like I said I'll eat it if it's been detonating...no damage to any of the wear grooves on topof the piston especially the topmost one...

I got more pic's on request....

So, the motor is torn apart now? Also, whats the price? I didnt see one listed.

No thats the piston I took out last year...I replaced piston and cylinder with new CP 94mm and Millenium Cylinder with piston matched to it...everyone was very concerned that this engine detonates with 91-93 Octane Fuel so posted pic's so everyone could see for themselves! Holy Moly! I run mostly 93 Octane as that is what is sold here in Texas but have run plenty of 91 Octane as we lived in Aridzona when I initially bought the Quad from Alba...
No it runs like a champ and is for sale for $3800 have a KTM 637 being built right now as we speak... hate to sale the 470 I am definitely going to regret it...it hasn't been rode but once this year at Little Sahara Okla for about 45 mins max...

wow, thats a real good price. Whats the word on shipping?

PM me with your addy and lets see what shipping is I'll work with you on that for sure....

Vid of Kermit Sande Dunes Labor Day Weekend....rode the 470 to stretch its legs a little, had a great time...

what kind of helmet cam do you have? that looked pretty good.

ill take that trailer off your hands lol

VIO POV.1 they have the 1.5 out now...not a bad set up at all...
http://www.vio-pov.com/

What kinda ponies and torque does that Z490 make? What is the stroke and bore? Nice build...

Komfort quit making those Karry-Alls in 2005 and I can't find anything I like to replace it...it's great for a riding family as we stay out on the "backporch" alot...136 gallons water...47 gallons fuel on board...hauls two Sport Quads and my Polaris RZR...